tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732407426313451205.post3581791092626404788..comments2024-03-08T15:43:20.236+00:00Comments on Keynesian Liberal: Westminster manoeuvres v public appealPeter Wrigleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16481117156930677255noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732407426313451205.post-38351240893392356602016-08-24T21:15:32.390+01:002016-08-24T21:15:32.390+01:00Sounds like proportional representation - a great ...Sounds like proportional representation - a great idea when you're in opposition, but what's the point when you're in power?Severn Boarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15542769703676984112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732407426313451205.post-20686085195845674482016-08-15T16:36:54.360+01:002016-08-15T16:36:54.360+01:00If Corbyn can persuade even half of those "le...<i> If Corbyn can persuade even half of those "left-inclined" who normally stay at home to turn out and vote for a progressive alternative we could be home and dry</i><br /><br />But the problem — well, one of the problems — is that those left-inclined non-voters pretty much all live in constituencies that already voted Labour in 2015. So he could persuade not just half but three-quarters of them to turn out and it still wouldn't win a majority of seats in Parliament. <br /><br />Add to that the fact that Jeremy Corbyn is a very particular kind of Labour, a very Islington, metropolitan, liberal Labour, and that a lot of those he would be trying to appeal to are rather more traditionally socially-conservative Labour — the kind of Old Labourites who voted 'Leave' in the north, who aren't necessarily on-board with things like nuclear disarmament, gay rights, multiculturalism, and all the other things by which Corbyn defines himself, and it starts to look doubtful that he does have the same appeal in Labour's old heartlands than he obviously does (going by his rally attendances) in the metropolitan centres. <br /><br />And finally, this strategy requires increasing turnout differentially — research shows that non-voters are broadly reflective of those who do vote, so if you increase turnout among non-voters as a whole then you don't gain anything. You have to motivate the non-voters who, if they did vote, would vote for you, while <i>not</i> motivating those who, if they did vote, would vote against you. <br /><br />But Corbyn is such a polarising figure that it seems quite easy to imagine the Tories running a 'do you really want to let this Trident-scrapping terrorist sympathiser and his Mao-quoting shadow chancellor into Downing Street? If not, you better get tot he polling station!' campaign, and so actually motivating those who didn't vote in 2015 but if they had, would have voted Conservative, to turn out, and so cancelling out Corbyn's 2015-non-voter boost. <br /><br /><i>I'm sorry you think Corbyn is "morally repulsive." I think most people take the opposite view, which is what makes him attractive: not in it for the money or position, but actually believes what he says.</i><br /><br />That's what makes him so repulsive: when he praises those who murder MPs, he really, honestly means it. <br /><br />Again, you'd think after Jo Cox, if not before, people would look askance at someone who supports murdering MPs, but apparently we're fine with it as long as it's Jeremy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732407426313451205.post-62064847364475993022016-08-14T07:06:43.927+01:002016-08-14T07:06:43.927+01:00Remember that only 25% of those entitled to vote i...Remember that only 25% of those entitled to vote in 2015 voted Conservative, and a slightly smaller percentage Labour. If Corbyn can persuade even half of those "left-inclined" who normally stay at home to turn out and vote for a progressive alternative we could be home and dry. It's a gamble I know, but the alternative is another "Tory -light" opposition which won't enthuse anyone.<br /><br />I'm sorry you think Corbyn is "morally repulsive." I think most people take the opposite view, which is what makes him attractive: not in it for the money or position, but actually believes what he says.Peter Wrigleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481117156930677255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732407426313451205.post-55202937736649289262016-08-14T06:57:20.525+01:002016-08-14T06:57:20.525+01:00Yes, it's sad but understandable that Labour t...Yes, it's sad but understandable that Labour toys with the idea of a Rainbow Coalition when it's down in the dumps (eg with Ashdown before 1997) but abandons it once it thinks it can win on its own. If Corbyn, or whoever wins, waits for yet another defeat, we are condemned to endure the present destructive policies for another five years beyond 2020Peter Wrigleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16481117156930677255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732407426313451205.post-61041079128943403892016-08-13T10:36:05.719+01:002016-08-13T10:36:05.719+01:00Jeremy Corbyn's advantage is that he does have...<i>Jeremy Corbyn's advantage is that he does have the ability to communicate successfully with a vast swathe of the public that the others don't reach</i><br /><br />But his big disadvantage is that he is totally unable to be persuasive to anyone who doesn't already agree with him, and there aren't enough people who agree with him (in raw numbers, or especially in the right seats) to win an election. <br /><br />Why would anyone who voted Conservative in 2015 ever switch their to a Corbyn-led Labour party?<br /><br />[Which is good, as the man is morally repulsive — he cheers on people who kill MPs, something that after Jo Cox should surely have made him PNG in any decent company — and it would be shameful for the country to have him as Prime Minister. It's bad enough that he is leader of Hr Majesty's Loyal Opposition]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732407426313451205.post-72722616776749383702016-08-12T22:42:14.961+01:002016-08-12T22:42:14.961+01:00I believe Corbyn will have to suffer defeat (2020)...I believe Corbyn will have to suffer defeat (2020) before he will ask for 'assistance' from others. Remember he can boast a large number of members for his party even if they are not for him. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13189843612564999190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732407426313451205.post-66018844426994964602016-08-12T22:42:09.213+01:002016-08-12T22:42:09.213+01:00I believe Corbyn will have to suffer defeat (2020)...I believe Corbyn will have to suffer defeat (2020) before he will ask for 'assistance' from others. Remember he can boast a large number of members for his party even if they are not for him. 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