A final word from "Bridges not Borders" (See previous posts)
" We may not be able to open all borders tomorrow, but we need to make a start. We need to begin working towards achieving the conditions that could make this a reality, for example greater global wage parity, universal standards for workers' rights and meaningful cross-border environmental protections. We must strive for a more equal world where people are not forced to migrate, but instead have the right to move as well as not to move.
This might all sound like a naive Utopian dream, but so too did many major struggles for social change in the past. We must start imagining in the way those who went before us did, those people who fought for a very different world at a time when it seemed impossible."
These extracts from the "Global Justice Now" pamphlet were written by Aisha Dodwell.
For further and better particulars see: globaljustice.org.uk/migration.
If you agree with the sentiments, if not all the detail, why not join "Global Justice Now," 66, Offley Road, London SW9 0LS (020 7820 4900)?
Utopia may be impossible,but that does not stop people, organisations aiming for it. Many Brits today can trace their family history well back into the past. One example can be grandfather,grandmother (or even further back) from Russian Pogrom's fleeing to the UK and settling. These MIGRANTS have children and now, over the time period ,are now BRITS. Migration is not new. We are a country built on it.
ReplyDeleteThe nastiness around at the moment threatening, say, nurses from abroad, trained abroad could now feel unwelcomed and leave.That would make the NHS situation worse.Those who are care workers in homes look after childrens parents.Would their children be happy to look after their infirm dementia ridden parents at home with all the implications? Would people be happy to pay higher food prices cos only Brits are allowed to work in farms with a higher wage negotiated? MIGRANTS ARE NEEDED for a host of reasons. Those campaigning against it do not think of the consequences of their actions, unless it is just to cause disruption.
Migration is not new. We are a country built on it.
ReplyDeleteThat’s simply not true. Between the Norman conquest and the start of the twentieth century, the total numbers of immigrants to Britain was probably under a million. That’s total in a period covering most of a millennium.
The country was not ‘built on migration’, at least over the last thousand years. There were more significant migrations before that, but between 1068 and the year 2000, Britain was almost entirely built by people who were already here.
The nastiness around at the moment threatening, say, nurses from abroad, trained abroad could now feel unwelcomed and leave.
Some of those nurses have fraudulent qualifications and are putting patients at risk: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/14/nhs-nurses-being-investigated-for-industrial-scale-qualifications
It’d be good if those ones left, wouldn’t it?
Would their children be happy to look after their infirm dementia ridden parents at home with all the implications?
They ought to be. Palming your parents off on badly-paid foreigners is a bit rum, I have always thought.
Those campaigning against it do not think of the consequences of their actions, unless it is just to cause disruption.
But do those campaigning for migration think of the consequences of their actions? The treasury has recently admitted that the contribution of a given migrant to the country is not always positive. Migrants are not an undifferentiated mass of interchangeable work-units; each migrant is a unique individual with their own skills and circumstances; and some of them we want in the country and some we don’t. We must stop talking of ‘migration’ as if the only choices were to allow everyone in or somehow cut ourselves off from the world, and instead think of how we can have a discriminating immigration policy that lets in the migrants who will benefit Britain and keeps out those who will not be a benefit to this country.
And the refugees feeing from terror, starvation in drought-stricken areas,et al?
ReplyDeleteAnd the refugees feeing from terror, starvation in drought-stricken areas,et al?
DeleteObviously need to be treated differently to economic migrants, don’t you agree?
I think we should treat everybody with respect as fellow human-beings, and compassion, whatever their reason for coming.
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DeleteI think we should treat everybody with respect as fellow human-beings, and compassion, whatever their reason for coming.
You can treat someone with respect without letting them come in to live in your house. But just to be clear: are you saying out immigration system should not distinguish between someone fleeing a repressive government, and someone who just wants to earn more than they could at home?
There are good and bad everywhere.That is why we have laws to punish wrongdoers.Yes 'bad uns' should be locked up/sent home.But they are not that many and anyway the media stir it and therefore label migrants as bad. Most wants food in the belly, a roof over the head and to live in peace, look after loved ones and live a life, Wherever they are there country has to be peaceful enough to stay.People will move to live. Poles used to work on the farms and buildings.Brexit chased them away. We now have a shortage of both sorts of workers Raise wages equals higher prices.Can people afford higher prices? Migrants control the situation.After all it is they making the news
ReplyDeleteIn the middle ages migration was less.the black death saw to that, That was a cataclysm throughout Europe/Middle East. Labour was short thru death of population,no need to migrate for it pushed up wages.
There are good and bad everywhere.That is why we have laws to punish wrongdoers.Yes 'bad uns' should be locked up/sent home.
ReplyDeleteObviously (and that includes anyone who entered the country illegally).
But are also those who do not commit crimes, but who are nevertheless a net drain on the country, taking more out of our welfare system, for example, than they ever put in. Surely we should not let in anyone who is likely to be in that position?
We have to take care of British people who need more out of the system than they put in; they are our responsibly. But foreigners are not are responsibly. We are under no moral obligation to become the welfare state provider of the entire world.
The evidence is that immigrants put in more in taxes than they take out in health care and benefits. A good read today is 'Thank God for immigrants' by Ian Dunt on https://iandunt.substack.com
ReplyDeleteThe evidence is that immigrants put in more in taxes than they take out in health care and benefits.
DeleteLet’s assume for the sake of argument that it is true that the total benefit to the country from all immigrants is greater than the total cost.
Mathematically, that means that the average immigrant pays in more than they take out.
But the thing is, there’s no such thing in real life as an ‘average’ migrant. Each migrant is a unique individual. That means that there are ones who benefit us greatly and ones who are a net drain on the country.
And therefore whatever your position on the question of net benefit or net drain as a whole, you should agree that it would be better to be more discriminating about which immigrants we let in and which we don’t?
Because if you think that immigration has been a net benefit, then keeping out the immigrant who are a net drain while encouraging those who are a net benefit will mean that the net benefit of immigration gets even bigger and that’s got to be good, right?
Whereas if you think that immigration has been a net drain then keeping out the ones who are a net drain while encouraging the ones who are a net benefit might change the calculation so it is actually beneficial.
Would you not agree?
Thanks Mick. I too get Ian Dunt's newsletter and heartily enjoyed and approved it, apart from the obscenities.
DeleteSo the latest ONS migration data has been published and it backs me up:
Delete‘The new ONS data shows that even with the visa changes introduced last year, just 15 per cent of non-EU immigrants were coming here as actual workers on work visas.
Indeed, of the 3.59 million non-EU nationals who arrived in Britain since 2021, just 571,000 did so as workers on work visas – as opposed to dependants on work visas, students, dependants of students, or as family members or refugees. Overall, this is not a mix that is optimised for the benefit of the economy.’
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